Don Rumsfeld

[DaveInSeattle]

Yep....



And for those more bitter about his reign of terror...

[Tom 1860]

Is this a known known, do we know we know?

[mister d]

[DSafetyGuy]

Saw the thread title and got excited.

[A_B]

Is this a known known, do we know we know?

[rass]

Seems like a good time to share (again, likely) this little slice of Swamp gold:

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We were so energetic back then. Best we can do now is one new thread and a couple of mistargeted bumps.

[Pruitt]

Maybe he'll drag Bush, Cheney, Rice and Powell down to hell so they can hang out again.

[degenerasian]

Maybe he'll drag Bush, Cheney, Rice and Powell down to hell so they can hang out again.

I thought the Bush Administration were the good guys now. After Trump.

[Pruitt]

Maybe he'll drag Bush, Cheney, Rice and Powell down to hell so they can hang out again.

I thought the Bush Administration were the good guys now. After Trump.

Huh?!

A well formed turd may be better to look at than a puddle of diarrhea, but it is still a piece of shit.

[Reaper]

Is this a known known, do we know we know?

We don't know we don't know. These are the difficult ones.

[Reaper]

Seems like a good time to share (again, likely) this little slice of Swamp gold:

happyswamp.jpg


We were so energetic back then. Best we can do now is one new thread and a couple of mistargeted bumps.

I had to look up what I meant by "Gates open," not realizing it was Robert Gates who took over (and became the first Defense Secretary to be kept by the next administration).

[mister d]

They don't miss.

[EnochRoot]

Maybe he'll drag Bush, Cheney, Rice and Powell down to hell so they can hang out again.

I thought the Bush Administration were the good guys now. After Trump.

Not quite.

[degenerasian]

Maybe he'll drag Bush, Cheney, Rice and Powell down to hell so they can hang out again.

I thought the Bush Administration were the good guys now. After Trump.

Huh?!

A well formed turd may be better to look at than a puddle of diarrhea, but it is still a piece of shit.

Of course but I just saw that during the election, Bush was on talk shows and people liked him. Colin Powell declared his support for Biden and he was called a real patriot etc...

[DaveInSeattle]

[DSafetyGuy]

They don't miss.

Neither do these fine folks:

[EnochRoot]

Maybe he'll drag Bush, Cheney, Rice and Powell down to hell so they can hang out again.

I thought the Bush Administration were the good guys now. After Trump.

Huh?!

A well formed turd may be better to look at than a puddle of diarrhea, but it is still a piece of shit.

Of course but I just saw that during the election, Bush was on talk shows and people liked him. Colin Powell declared his support for Biden and he was called a real patriot etc...

You're smarter than this.

You can always find hyperbole and over exaggerated points of view, but the gist of the importance of people like GWB and Colin Powell (and fuck, Dick Cheney for that matter) was always to WALK PEOPLE BACK FROM LEADING THE COUNTRY OVER THE CLIFF with Donald Trump.

OK?

[degenerasian]

Maybe he'll drag Bush, Cheney, Rice and Powell down to hell so they can hang out again.

I thought the Bush Administration were the good guys now. After Trump.

Huh?!

A well formed turd may be better to look at than a puddle of diarrhea, but it is still a piece of shit.

Of course but I just saw that during the election, Bush was on talk shows and people liked him. Colin Powell declared his support for Biden and he was called a real patriot etc...

You're smarter than this.

You can always find hyperbole and over exaggerated points of view, but the gist of the importance of people like GWB and Colin Powell (and fuck, Dick Cheney for that matter) was always to WALK PEOPLE BACK FROM LEADING THE COUNTRY OVER THE CLIFF with Donald Trump.

OK?

I know I know. It was just annoying in some cases. (and they need to stop calling Liz Cheney a hero, there's a while NY Times article about that)

[P.D.X.]

Article or editorial?

[EnochRoot]

Maybe he'll drag Bush, Cheney, Rice and Powell down to hell so they can hang out again.

I thought the Bush Administration were the good guys now. After Trump.

Huh?!

A well formed turd may be better to look at than a puddle of diarrhea, but it is still a piece of shit.

Of course but I just saw that during the election, Bush was on talk shows and people liked him. Colin Powell declared his support for Biden and he was called a real patriot etc...

You're smarter than this.

You can always find hyperbole and over exaggerated points of view, but the gist of the importance of people like GWB and Colin Powell (and fuck, Dick Cheney for that matter) was always to WALK PEOPLE BACK FROM LEADING THE COUNTRY OVER THE CLIFF with Donald Trump.

OK?

I know I know. It was just annoying in some cases. (and they need to stop calling Liz Cheney a hero, there's a while NY Times article about that)

I think your issue is with the current state of the GOP than it is the deification of Cheney. She's just taking up residence in the abrogated conscience of what used to be the GOP.

[DaveInSeattle]

George Packer is a hell of a writer.

How Rumsfeld Deserves to Be Remembered

Rumsfeld was the worst secretary of defense in American history. Being newly dead shouldn’t spare him this distinction. He was worse than the closest contender, Robert McNamara, and that is not a competition to judge lightly. McNamara’s folly was that of a whole generation of Cold Warriors who believed that Indochina was a vital front in the struggle against communism. His growing realization that the Vietnam War was an unwinnable waste made him more insightful than some of his peers; his decision to keep this realization from the American public made him an unforgivable coward. But Rumsfeld was the chief advocate of every disaster in the years after September 11. Wherever the United States government contemplated a wrong turn, Rumsfeld was there first with his hard smile—squinting, mocking the cautious, shoving his country deeper into a hole. His fatal judgment was equaled only by his absolute self-assurance. He lacked the courage to doubt himself. He lacked the wisdom to change his mind.

[Johnnie]

I'll always remember this about him:

Troops Question Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld about Armor

And still now you see with Secretary Rumsfeld, he fails to understand the reality of what's going on, on the ground.

A specialist, E-4, just four levels from the bottom, has to embarrass him publicly for us to get a reaction from the White House.

ETA

Here's the video:

[Johnnie]

They don't miss.

Neither do these fine folks:

Duffel Blog also good:

[The Sybian]

My avatar picture from about 15 years ago:

[Nonlinear FC]

I was just about to bring up the Saddam stuff. There's a really good podcast I listened to about Iraq and it goes pretty deep on how Rumsfeld at first praised and supported Saddam and then, of course, did a complete 180 as the circumstances of 9/11 had the Bush admin looking for a reason to go and fuck shit up.

I had forgotten just how much the media fawned over him at his sickening press conferences. Nauseating.

[DaveInSeattle]

I had forgotten just how much the media fawned over him at his sickening press conferences. Nauseating.

You mean like People Magazine naming him the 'Sexiest Cabinet Member'?

Or this?