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mister d · Post by **mister d** » Wed Nov 02, 2022 3:35 pm

Geographically I think Boston is as close to Philadelphia as Fetterman's city is.

EnochRoot · Post by **EnochRoot** » Wed Nov 02, 2022 9:36 pm

For the past several weeks I think I've been asked for donations for every democrat running for (re)election, maybe 5x each. Warnock? Probably 5x a day. I've donated what I'm going to donate, but holy shit, this is relentless.

HaulCitgo · Post by **HaulCitgo** » Wed Nov 02, 2022 9:43 pm

Oddly I have never been asked for cash by Warnock. Not quite sure how that is possible

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Wed Nov 02, 2022 9:47 pm

I have been asked a lot by politicians online, too. But, as for snail mail, holy cow, every charity under the sun is mailing me, begging for money.

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Thu Nov 03, 2022 6:03 am

sancarlos wrote: Wed Nov 02, 2022 9:47 pm I have been asked a lot by politicians online, too. But, as for snail mail, holy cow, every charity under the sun is mailing me, begging for money.

Can I borrow $20?

Baloney · Post by **Baloney** » Thu Nov 03, 2022 8:59 am

Imran Khan wounded in assassination attempt

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... onvoy.html

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Thu Nov 03, 2022 3:12 pm

Why I don't contribute money to anyone, ever:

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Thu Nov 03, 2022 3:18 pm

Well. Now it's just getting personal.

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Thu Nov 03, 2022 3:43 pm

Kinda kicking myself for passing on Corb Lund’s show when he toured through awhile back.

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Thu Nov 03, 2022 3:43 pm

sancarlos wrote: Thu Nov 03, 2022 3:43 pm Kinda kicking myself for passing on Corb Lund’s show when he toured through awhile back.

He was an hour away and I didn't know until the day of! I considered it. It was apparently his first show in Kentucky.

Jerloma · Post by **Jerloma** » Thu Nov 03, 2022 3:47 pm

I can't find it on the Googles but didn't Charlie Crist get caught doing some gay shit in a bathroom like 15 years ago after campaigning against gay shit?

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Thu Nov 03, 2022 3:54 pm

Jerloma wrote: Thu Nov 03, 2022 3:47 pm I can't find it on the Googles but didn't Charlie Crist get caught doing some gay shit in a bathroom like 15 years ago after campaigning against gay shit?

He denied the rumors.

Steve of phpBB · Post by **Steve of phpBB** » Thu Nov 03, 2022 3:56 pm

Johnnie wrote: Thu Nov 03, 2022 3:12 pm Why I don't contribute money to anyone, ever:

So because billionaires are giving tons of money to advance right wing causes, you won't contribute to their opposition?

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Thu Nov 03, 2022 4:46 pm

Steve of phpBB wrote: Thu Nov 03, 2022 3:56 pm
Johnnie wrote: Thu Nov 03, 2022 3:12 pm Why I don't contribute money to anyone, ever:
So because billionaires are giving tons of money to advance right wing causes, you won't contribute to their opposition?

No. The opposition gets my vote, but until we have as many billionaires on our side, I'd be throwing money into the trash. The math doesn't work.

You see how Obama was fired up this past week going state to state and giving speeches? That's what I want out of ALL Democrats. Forceful, angry, and direct fuck you energy. Maybe then I'll contribute money.

The fact that my money would go to people who aren't that fired up (outside of Tim Ryan in Ohio) tells me they don't really care if they lose.

And yet, being questioned about this, I still feel like it's my fault. This is why I stopped being Catholic. Enough with the guilt.

Steve of phpBB · Post by **Steve of phpBB** » Thu Nov 03, 2022 5:10 pm

Johnnie wrote: Thu Nov 03, 2022 4:46 pm
Steve of phpBB wrote: Thu Nov 03, 2022 3:56 pm
Johnnie wrote: Thu Nov 03, 2022 3:12 pm Why I don't contribute money to anyone, ever:
So because billionaires are giving tons of money to advance right wing causes, you won't contribute to their opposition?
No. The opposition gets my vote, but until we have as many billionaires on our side, I'd be throwing money into the trash. The math doesn't work.

You see how Obama was fired up this past week going state to state and giving speeches? That's what I want out of ALL Democrats. Forceful, angry, and direct fuck you energy. Maybe then I'll contribute money.

The fact that my money would go to people who aren't that fired up (outside of Tim Ryan in Ohio) tells me they don't really care if they lose.

And yet, being questioned about this, I still feel like it's my fault. This is why I stopped being Catholic. Enough with the guilt.

But as Bernie Sanders so well demonstrated, and others in the Dem establishment have now caught on, tons of money can be raised from non-billionaires and non-millionaires. It may or may not be enough to equal what the billionaires are spending, but it can be enough to reach that point where the differences in spending don't matter. But if we want candidates to shy away from relying on money from the billionaires, then we non-billionaires need to step up.

I found Obama's speech from Wisconsin last week to be hella satisfying. God, it was great to hear him say what he was saying. But he was speaking to a rally of people who are already on the Dem side. It was a speech aimed at Democrats/liberals. Because there are so many more moderates and conservatives than there are liberals, and the close races are (duh) in states where Dems and Rs are roughly even at best, Dem candidates can't be quite as partisan in their speeches as Obama was last week. Instead, they need to sound more like Obama did from 2007-2014.

Still, though - as far as I can tell, all the Dems in the big Senate races have plenty of money. I think the Dems in House races have enough also.

When the Dems lose the House and possibly the Senate, it won't be because you or I didn't donate enough. Nothing that happens will be anyone's fault - the new president's party always recedes in the first midterm election, plus gas and other prices are up and crime is up.

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Thu Nov 03, 2022 5:17 pm

I like to look at it in a more pessimistic way: the average American voter is such a dumb fucking moron that they think an old man in the White House controls everything happening in the world when it's a Democrat because they've been conditioned to believe it.

Then add gerrymandering and voter suppression.

If overturning Roe v Wade doesn't motivate people and give them a glimpse into what could happen to them, it's wrap.

And there isn't an amount of money that can fix that.

Steve of phpBB · Post by **Steve of phpBB** » Thu Nov 03, 2022 5:23 pm

Johnnie wrote: Thu Nov 03, 2022 5:17 pm I like to look at it in a more pessimistic way: the average American voter is such a dumb fucking moron that they think an old man in the White House controls everything happening in the world when it's a Democrat because they've been conditioned to believe it.

Then add gerrymandering and voter suppression.

If overturning Roe v Wade doesn't motivate people and give them a glimpse into what could happen to them, it's wrap.

And there isn't an amount of money that can fix that.

Yeah, can't really argue with that. For me, it's just hoping like hell that the Dems can somehow hold onto the Senate so Biden can continue putting judges on the federal bench. And holding out for a miracle that McMullin beats Lee.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Thu Nov 03, 2022 5:49 pm

I'd argue Bernie raised tons of money from non-wealthy donors precisely because he's not party-tied. I'd have to audit myself, but I'm pretty certain I haven't given to anyone but him in a decade if not a lot longer.

Ryan · Post by **Ryan** » Thu Nov 03, 2022 6:34 pm

Johnnie wrote: Thu Nov 03, 2022 5:17 pm I like to look at it in a more pessimistic way: the average American voter is such a dumb fucking moron that they think an old man in the White House controls everything happening in the world when it's a Democrat because they've been conditioned to believe it.

The ad I’ve seen the most says Biden is evil because inflation hasn’t been this high in 40 years. I took the time to subtract and well…

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Thu Nov 03, 2022 6:46 pm

L-Jam3 wrote: Fri Oct 28, 2022 1:47 pm Fuck it, I’ll go there.

So this guy is 42, armed with a hammer, against an 82 year old guy who just woke up, and he didn’t kill him. Either this MAGA dipshit can’t fight worth of damn, or Pelosi’s husband is bringing serious old man strength. Maybe both.

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:57 pm

He's an aging boomer who does aging boomer shit, but he's on the money here.

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Wed Nov 09, 2022 8:37 pm

It's funny in theory only, but Jesus Christ.

Jerloma · Post by **Jerloma** » Thu Nov 10, 2022 12:58 pm

She's out in January. Do you not have to be a rep to be SOTH?

Steve of phpBB · Post by **Steve of phpBB** » Thu Nov 10, 2022 1:02 pm

Jerloma wrote: Thu Nov 10, 2022 12:58 pm She's out in January. Do you not have to be a rep to be SOTH?

Possibly not. Apparently the Constitution doesn't say anything specifically, just that the representatives shall chuse a speaker and other officers.

But I'd be really shocked if something like that happened. If nothing else, there's no way you'll find 4-5 Republicans to go along with it.

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Thu Nov 10, 2022 1:14 pm

Steve of phpBB wrote: Thu Nov 10, 2022 1:02 pm
Jerloma wrote: Thu Nov 10, 2022 12:58 pm She's out in January. Do you not have to be a rep to be SOTH?
Possibly not. Apparently the Constitution doesn't say anything specifically, just that the representatives shall chuse a speaker and other officers.

But I'd be really shocked if something like that happened. If nothing else, there's no way you'll find 4-5 Republicans to go along with it.

There was talk about making Trump Speaker if the Republicans win.

Steve of phpBB · Post by **Steve of phpBB** » Thu Nov 10, 2022 1:20 pm

The Sybian wrote: Thu Nov 10, 2022 1:14 pm
Steve of phpBB wrote: Thu Nov 10, 2022 1:02 pm
Jerloma wrote: Thu Nov 10, 2022 12:58 pm She's out in January. Do you not have to be a rep to be SOTH?
Possibly not. Apparently the Constitution doesn't say anything specifically, just that the representatives shall chuse a speaker and other officers.

But I'd be really shocked if something like that happened. If nothing else, there's no way you'll find 4-5 Republicans to go along with it.
There was talk about making Trump Speaker if the Republicans win.

Now that I'd love to see.

EnochRoot · Post by **EnochRoot** » Thu Nov 10, 2022 2:51 pm

Steve of phpBB wrote: Thu Nov 10, 2022 1:20 pm
The Sybian wrote: Thu Nov 10, 2022 1:14 pm
Steve of phpBB wrote: Thu Nov 10, 2022 1:02 pm
Jerloma wrote: Thu Nov 10, 2022 12:58 pm She's out in January. Do you not have to be a rep to be SOTH?
Possibly not. Apparently the Constitution doesn't say anything specifically, just that the representatives shall chuse a speaker and other officers.

But I'd be really shocked if something like that happened. If nothing else, there's no way you'll find 4-5 Republicans to go along with it.
There was talk about making Trump Speaker if the Republicans win.
Now that I'd love to see.

I don't think inviting Trump back into the government in any capacity is in our nation's best interests.

Steve of phpBB · Post by **Steve of phpBB** » Thu Nov 10, 2022 6:55 pm

That Trump - DeSantis accord is just around the corner …

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Thu Nov 10, 2022 6:59 pm

Trump is so done, so unhinged. Tuesday night really killed any Trump chances to be the nominee.

govmentchedda · Post by **govmentchedda** » Thu Nov 10, 2022 7:16 pm

He's the Undertaker meme.

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Fri Nov 11, 2022 12:21 pm

DaveInSeattle · Post by **DaveInSeattle** » Fri Nov 11, 2022 12:28 pm

degenerasian wrote: Thu Nov 10, 2022 6:59 pm Trump is so done, so unhinged. Tuesday night really killed any Trump chances to be the nominee.

Not to his mind...he's gonna burn the Republican down to the ground first.

(and I'm 100% here for it)

DSafetyGuy · Post by **DSafetyGuy** » Fri Nov 11, 2022 12:41 pm

He has now gone after Youngkin, as well.

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Fri Nov 11, 2022 12:42 pm

DaveInSeattle wrote: Fri Nov 11, 2022 12:28 pm
degenerasian wrote: Thu Nov 10, 2022 6:59 pm Trump is so done, so unhinged. Tuesday night really killed any Trump chances to be the nominee.
Not to his mind...he's gonna burn the Republican down to the ground first.

(and I'm 100% here for it)

If he still has the votes from his cult, it doesn’t matter what lunacy he voices, the other Republican politicians will jump on board again. He’s insulted most of them at one time or another, and they all still get in line for him. But, if Fox dumps him, that might cause some of the cult to dump him.

HaulCitgo · Post by **HaulCitgo** » Fri Nov 11, 2022 1:12 pm

Trump is the key to democratic success in 2024. The guys presence gives democrats a 5% bump. And I'd bet most judges appointed by Republicans are federalist society types.

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Fri Nov 11, 2022 1:14 pm

sancarlos wrote: Fri Nov 11, 2022 12:42 pm
DaveInSeattle wrote: Fri Nov 11, 2022 12:28 pm
degenerasian wrote: Thu Nov 10, 2022 6:59 pm Trump is so done, so unhinged. Tuesday night really killed any Trump chances to be the nominee.
Not to his mind...he's gonna burn the Republican down to the ground first.

(and I'm 100% here for it)
If he still has the votes from his cult, it doesn’t matter what lunacy he voices, the other Republican politicians will jump on board again. He’s insulted most of them at one time or another, and they all still get in line for him. But, if Fox dumps him, that might cause some of the cult to dump him.

He rose to the top of the GOP primary heap with Fox working against him, and Fox turned on him after he left office. Trump is more powerful than Fox. I predicted years ago Trump would tear down the entire GOP if they stayed with him, and I'm amazed it hasn't happened yet. I think it's possible it could still happen. If the GOP, RW media and voters start moving towards DeSantis and away from Trump, he will try to destroy everyone that turns on him. He has never given a fuck about the GOP, just pays them lip service of gives them Judges and policies he doesn't care about if it gives him more personal power. Trump is the most vindictive person imaginable, and if people damage him, he will go all out to hit them back. I'm not expecting anything, but it's possible and I would love to watch it happen.

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Mon Nov 14, 2022 1:23 pm

Oh hey. Look. Now that the powers pulling the strings behind the scenes for the GOP have given the ok to go after Trump, Mike Pence, nearly 2 years later and on the circuit to hock his book, has an opinion.

Fucking coward.

Steve of phpBB · Post by **Steve of phpBB** » Mon Nov 14, 2022 2:13 pm

I'd like to know if Pence is being more harsh with Trump now than in his book, which obviously would have been written before the past week.

(I don't want to know badly enough to actually read Pence's book.)

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Mon Nov 14, 2022 2:25 pm

Is Pence signaling in Morse Code with his right foot? Fuck is he doing?

And Pence has a daughter, so that means he actually fucked? Weird.

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Mon Nov 14, 2022 2:27 pm

The Sybian wrote: Fri Nov 11, 2022 1:14 pm
sancarlos wrote: Fri Nov 11, 2022 12:42 pm
DaveInSeattle wrote: Fri Nov 11, 2022 12:28 pm
degenerasian wrote: Thu Nov 10, 2022 6:59 pm Trump is so done, so unhinged. Tuesday night really killed any Trump chances to be the nominee.
Not to his mind...he's gonna burn the Republican down to the ground first.

(and I'm 100% here for it)
If he still has the votes from his cult, it doesn’t matter what lunacy he voices, the other Republican politicians will jump on board again. He’s insulted most of them at one time or another, and they all still get in line for him. But, if Fox dumps him, that might cause some of the cult to dump him.
He rose to the top of the GOP primary heap with Fox working against him, and Fox turned on him after he left office. Trump is more powerful than Fox. I predicted years ago Trump would tear down the entire GOP if they stayed with him, and I'm amazed it hasn't happened yet. I think it's possible it could still happen. If the GOP, RW media and voters start moving towards DeSantis and away from Trump, he will try to destroy everyone that turns on him. He has never given a fuck about the GOP, just pays them lip service of gives them Judges and policies he doesn't care about if it gives him more personal power. Trump is the most vindictive person imaginable, and if people damage him, he will go all out to hit them back. I'm not expecting anything, but it's possible and I would love to watch it happen.

Spot on.

The combo of Trump and his acolytes and abortion is why we still control the Senate and why the House is going to be as close as it's ever been in terms of margin.

Keep it up Donald, we're all cheering you on!